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Fargoer
Canada
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J.H. Wang wrote:
其实，对于一次性电池，两者的意思是完全一样的。呵呵。
据我观察，除了手持设备用的电池之外，对其他所有电池而言，这两者的意思都是一样的。譬如汽车用的铅蓄电池，也是可充电的。但因为它是随时充电，所以不存在另一种意义上的“life”。只有手持设备的电池，正常使用时要与充电装置分离，这样才有了充电一次使用时间这种意义上的“life”。这种“生命”和一般的生命不同，是可以起死回生的。
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Phil Hand 
China
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wherestip wrote:
Simply stated, "battery life" refers to the time duration of usage between charges; for example, it could be 8 hours, 9 hours, ... 12 hours ..., etc.. Whereas "battery life span" refers to the time between a new battery is put into use until it is worn out completely (e.g., it no longer keeps a charge) and needs to be replaced.
我看到比较多的是电池“持航时间”，这说法标准吗？行内人会用吗？
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jyuan_us
United States
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J.H. Wang wrote:
Battery life 和 Battery lifespan 是同义词，都可以翻译成“电池寿命”。“电池使用时间” 的确不够准确。
也许不能说它们是同意词，一次性电池似乎只用Battery life。 用Battery lifespan形容一次性电池，似乎很少听到。这词有点大，母语者听起来可能有点怪异。不过我没有根据，只是凭感觉。听听英语母语者怎么说吧。
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ysun
United States
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wherestip wrote:
Why is it not okay to talk about how something was translated differently amongst different regions of China in this thread?
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ysun
United States
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| Sorry for the confusion | Oct 17, 2014 |
wherestip wrote: J.H. Wang wrote:
哦，没有考虑到是指可充电电池
其实，对于一次性电池，两者的意思是完全一样的。呵呵。 Of course. For non-rechargeable batteries the two terms would be synonymous. But in this case we're talking about the difference of the two terms when used in the official advertisement of the iPhone 6.
It may be my fault for not providing sufficient information on top of the paragraph Steve quoted from my post. I thought I provided.
[Edited at 2014-10-18 03:03 GMT]
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Fargoer
Canada
Local time: 07:30
English to Chinese
Phil Hand wrote: wherestip wrote:
Simply stated, "battery life" refers to the time duration of usage between charges; for example, it could be 8 hours, 9 hours, ... 12 hours ..., etc.. Whereas "battery life span" refers to the time between a new battery is put into use until it is worn out completely (e.g., it no longer keeps a charge) and needs to be replaced. 我看到比较多的是电池“持航时间”，这说法标准吗？行内人会用吗？
我觉得“持航时间”和“续航时间”都是指手持设备，而不仅是电池。持航时间决定于电池的性能和设备的能效。
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Loise
France
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| Battery life vs battery lifespan | Oct 18, 2014 |
Battery life有两个意思：电池充电后的使用时间，简称电池续航时间或电池使用时间；另一个意思和battery lifespan同义，指电池使用寿命。通常上下文都会提供足够的信息，让我们知道Battery life究竟是指哪一种情况，很难把它翻错。
回到iphone 6，我倒是听说它的续航时间虽然变长了，但还是不怎么理想，就电力而言，并没有广告词里说得那么 大。所以它那大来大去的广告是有点夸大了。需要经常充电的智能手机用起来挺不方便的。
[Edited at 2014-10-18 04:15 GMT]
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Alan Wang
China
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怎么知道这一定是大陆翻译干的事？
谁能那么肯定苹果公司总部的人没有就地找个在美华人翻译来翻译这些宣传语？他们为什么舍近求远找大陆人来翻译这几句话？
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Loise
France
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Alan Wang wrote:
怎么知道这一定是大陆翻译干的事？
谁能那么肯定苹果公司总部的人没有就地找个在美华人翻译来翻译这些宣传语？他们为什么舍近求远找大陆人来翻译这几句话？
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David Lin
United Kingdom
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Alan,
谢谢你的分享。
其实许多同仁在在过去一个多月的讨论中，已经分享了不同的看法，大部分都认为基本上中国大陆的翻译不可能会表现这个水平。其中有许多可能性非我们论坛几个人能掌握的，例如，苹果公司招揽人才的过程、该公司内部以及其分部的文稿筛选的管理，以及，也是最重要的一项 － 究竟原翻译人员是住在那一个地方？ ，我们根本完全�... See more Alan,
谢谢你的分享。
其实许多同仁在在过去一个多月的讨论中，已经分享了不同的看法，大部分都认为基本上中国大陆的翻译不可能会表现这个水平。其中有许多可能性非我们论坛几个人能掌握的，例如，苹果公司招揽人才的过程、该公司内部以及其分部的文稿筛选的管理，以及，也是最重要的一项 － 究竟原翻译人员是住在那一个地方？ ，我们根本完全无法知道。
由于有太多无法掌握的信息及背景资讯的不足，我们在此继续讨论，只能全凭 "揣测"，实际上无补于事，唯浪费脑力而已。况且， ProZ.com 论坛设立的目的，以翻译、语言为本，所以大家都已集中精力，只讨论关于文字及翻译方面的问题 －－ 究竟译文在哪里出错、哪些是优秀的翻译文稿、哪些是贫乏的表达等等专业方面的问题。
现在的帖文集中于 battery life、battery lifespan、持航、续航等关键词语。Fargoer, Loise, Steve, Phil 等朋友已经分别提出令人启发的帖子，欢迎你在这方面继续分享你的专业意见。:)
David
[Edited at 2014-10-18 19:41 GMT] ▲ Collapse
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Jinhang Wang
China
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Loise wrote:
Battery life有两个意思：电池充电后的使用时间，简称电池续航时间或电池使用时间；另一个意思和battery lifespan同义，指电池使用寿命。通常上下文都会提供足够的信息，让我们知道Battery life究竟是指哪一种情况，很难把它翻错。
回到iphone 6，我倒是听说它的续航时间虽然变长了，但还是不怎么理想，就电力而言，并没有广告词里说得那么 大。所以它那大来大去的广告是有点夸大了。需要经常充电的智能手机用起来挺不方便的。
[Edited at 2014-10-18 04:15 GMT]
我查了一下维基百科的定义，见下面的链接：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_life
其中有：
Battery life may refer to:
How long a device can work on a single charge of a rechargeable battery
Battery lifetime: duration of a rechargeable battery, often stated in number of charge/discharge cycles, until it degrades irreversibly and cannot hold a useful charge
当然，在具体语境中还是很容易搞清楚的。
[Edited at 2014-10-18 15:36 GMT]
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wherestip
United States
Local time: 08:30
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J.H. Wang wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_life 其中有： Battery life may refer to: How long a device can work on a single charge of a rechargeable battery Battery lifetime: duration of a rechargeable battery, often stated in number of charge/discharge cycles, until it degrades irreversibly and cannot hold a useful charge 当然，在具体语境中还是很容易搞清楚的。
Isn't that exactly why you need to look at the context to determine which one applies to the text in question?
In this case it is this particular subtitle of the ad of iPhone 6. Why are we talking about other applications that have nothing to do with the issue?
http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/technology/ Great battery life. Even while powering great new features. iPhone 6 is designed to be incredibly efficient. So you can spend your day taking advantage of all its new features and apps while getting better battery life.*
_____________________iPhone 6__________________iPhone 6 Plus
Audio ________________Up to 50 hours _____________Up to 80 hours
HD Video _____________Up to 11 hours _____________Up to 14 hours
Wi-Fi Browsing_________Up to 11 hours______________Up to 12 hours
LTE Browsing__________Up to 10 hours______________Up to 12 hours
3G Browsing___________Up to 10 hours______________Up to 12 hours
3G Talk_______________Up to 14 hours______________Up to 24 hours
Standby_______________Up to 10 days (250 hours)____Up to 16 days (384 hours)
[Edited at 2014-10-18 16:08 GMT]
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wherestip
United States
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| Apple's definition of "Battery Life" vs. "Battery Lifespan" | Oct 18, 2014 |
Specific to Apple's mobile devices, their definition of "Battery Life" is as clear as a bell.
[Edited at 2014-10-18 16:52 GMT]
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Alan Wang
China
Local time: 21:30
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David,
谢谢你这么热心肠的指点迷津。
当然，集中讨论翻译。因为前一段时间忙，这个主题下的帖子没有跟进。最近两天看了几页。
基本同意大家的意见。特别是你提到的几位，无论是见解还是在语言和翻译上的造诣都有目共睹。
另外，楼主也是慧眼，这的确是个潜力贴。大家可继续发挥。：）
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ysun
United States
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| It should be okay to talk about the differences | Oct 19, 2014 |
wherestip wrote:
I'm curious
Why is it not okay to talk about how something was translated differently amongst different regions of China in this thread?
Steve,
I doubt there is such a rule or whoever would ever make such a rule to limit discussions. I think it should be okay to talk about how something was translated differently amongst different regions of China in this thread as long as the discussions are in line with the site rules.
[Edited at 2014-10-19 12:18 GMT]
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